Posts by cha ching

Hey, Sparky, right before we turned the page and saw your research, my husband was saying 'you could probably find where the Society put down televangelism, but who has time to do the research?'

Thx for the quote!

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Talking Janet Jackson and Religious Freedom with the Wife

by OnTheWayOut in

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my recent sidewalk discussion with a couple of jw's has gotten me in the mood to say more when appropriate.so the wife and i were riding in the car and cat stevens comes on.

i mentioned to her that cat stevens left music when he was still popular and converted to islam back in the 1970's- how he was told that his music would have to be morally acceptable and he found it easier to just abandon making new music for at least 20 years.

so i didn't really remember all the details and i figured the conversation would die.

cha ching

Yep, she is at least "not being mad all day."

Great job, she won't be able to forget your comparisons.... you got her to agree with two different scenarios, and then came the "absolutely not", haha!

It will be interesting to see what happens next!

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The Christian Congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses of Namibia and legal problems

by TerryWalstrom in

the christian congregation of jehovah’s witnesses of namibia has asserted its right to be exempt as an "employer" for purposes of payment to those who work on its behalf, nor are they responsible (they claim) for filing any social security documents as to wages, hours worked, withholding, etc.in 2014, the congregation asked to be de-registered as such.____it didn't go so well.____on the 16 june 2014, authorities replied to the jw's request by confirming that the appellant is considered an employer in terms of the ss act and consequently should be registered with the employees’ compensation fund established by the employees’ compensation act, 1941, as well as having the order register its members with the maternity, sick leave and death benefit established by the ss act___a ping-pong protest and response commenced with multiple requests for clarification by the dubs and protestations and requests for appeal, etc.____authorities decided this matter was best handled by visiting the premises and investigating for themselves what goes on.____after the "visit" by authorities, nothing was offered by the dubs to change any minds.___the jw's continued to whine and protest and appeal, etc.____the authorities examined the congregation's appeal and made the following evaluation:== in the respondent’s listed grounds of opposition, it noted that the appeal filed by the appellant is not proper as it failed to complete the form 11 as contemplated in rule 17(2)(a) of the rules of this court==___jw's protested and appealed the appeal response which didn't appeal to them.___arguments continued until the following finding was released:the labour amendment act stipulates that:18 ‘for the purposes of this act or any other employment law, until the contrary is proved, an individual who works for or renders services to any other person, is presumed to be an employee of that other person, regardless of the form of the contract or the designation of the individual, if any one or more of the following factors is present:(list of factors attached)____blah-blah-blah-blahfinally:the ss act does not provide for de-registration of employers.

accordingly, logic follows that once an employer has been registered under this act, the obligations created in terms of this act ceases to exist only where the employer (who is a natural person) dies or becomes insolvent or is sequestrated or is liquidated or wound up (where an employer is a juristic person).

employees may be ‘de-registered’ under that employer in the event they die or their services have been terminated._______cut to the chase:accordingly, the appellant cannot pick and choose which laws should apply to them and which not.

cha ching

This article (shown in this YouTubehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdfYxsN958E ) states that there are 2,448 JWs that get a monthly income of N$940 in the 44 branches in Africa.

It would cost you N$1236 NADs (Namibian Dollars) to buy $100 USD. That is 8% of the value. So, if you received N$940 a month, that equals $72 USD, for hardworking Bethelites.

At around three minutes you can read that the WT registered itself as a "company".... not a religion... and that is why, after trying their whole "vow of obedience and poverty" thing, the court says "sorry" but the law says "beep". "They failed to explain why they registered as an employer" "The church cannot get a free card just because it is doing the work of God"'

I like that, "no free card for WT"!

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Annoying jws

by Jrjw in

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a 'concerned' jw in my congregation rang me earlier and said she's noticed my daughter sits miserable at the meetings and said she's a right miserable girl in general.

i said she's happy and hyper when she's not at the meetings they're just really boring and she doesn't want to be there.

apparently i'm a bad parent coz she feels that way.

cha ching

So sorry.... and yes, don't pick up calls from her....

If you DO happen to go to A meeting, and she "happens" to approach you, take a deep breath, look down at your feet, like you are shy and like you have a hard time speaking, (not mad) and say,

"Well, I wasn't going to tell you, but ummmm, one of the biggest reasons I don't make it to so many meetings is, well...... you. I don't like facing you, and the things you say to me are well, actually not very encouraging and I feel so bad afterwards, you know? "

Then just look at her, and walk away.

If she says anything else like "you need it" or "I am your big sister, and I am helping you"..... just reply, "See?" Then shrug your shoulders and walk away.

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The 101 ways to use a Troll

by days of future passed in

after being around for a few years reading, then posting - i've realized the usefulness of trolls.

for 1. they expose what type of person they are.. 2. trolls are very good once you roast them.

many are not able to march up to the wt and give them a piece of our mind.

cha ching

Trolls... a chance to vent.... or "enlighten", or 'Run away, run away'

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Wave your phone lights and dance at the Assemblies!

by days of future passed in

my sister sent me this youtube.

in it are witnesses waving their phone lights and dancing in the aisles.

sorry if this vid has been posted before.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k7iw-zisgw.

cha ching

Crazy! I would love to be there and stare at my mom & still in sisters dancing! OMG! Crazy!

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What Made You Decide To Finally Leave The Organization?

by minimus in

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was there one certain event or was it more a cumulative thing?.

cha ching

Sorry, My Name is of No Consequence,

I think the WT knows exactly what it is doing, exactly what people figure out they will lose (friends, husbands, wives, children, aunts, uncles, grandmothers, cousins) and what damage it will cause, and the WT should be held liable.

That is why many cannot leave.

As a wife, I think 'what if I told my husband that I didn't think the WT was chosen in 1919'? (not even for any other reason than 'the WT gives such a stupid reason'.. let alone the 607 thing) We would always argue/discuss doctrine... I can still remember driving down a dirt road 'while vacation pioneering' explaining to him why I thought 'Jesus was our mediator'.... using scriptures, and it was ok, we always have 'debated'.

But, when it came down to the bottom line, he was my head, and he read it from the WT, and that was that.

If I had been the 'head of the house' or if my HUSBAND decided "yep, that's wrong" it may have changed earlier for us.

As it was, we both left on the overlapping anointed/ 607 thing in 2011.

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Hi, all...I'm a faithful JW who is sick of lies about us

by James Donalds in

i was baptized 30 years ago and have been in the faith for over 35 years.. our organization isn't perfect.

but i'm sick to death of seeing stereotypes about us.

we are not mindless automatons.

cha ching

You said it Millie!

A good laugh, a great time to re-define, focus and build each other up!